I am working on a post about an element of the Dutch 'Sinterklaas' holiday called 'Zwarte Piet', or 'Black Pete'. So far calling it 'Black Pete and the national denial of racism'. It has become so much of a task, however, that I decided that it should take a backseat in things I am actually more interested in at the moment, like the Kalām cosmological argument (which is probably what the next post is going to be about). I promise to not abandon the Black Pete post entirely however, and will probably post that by the end of the month. Or maybe I'll post it on the 5th of December, as that is when the actual Sinterklaas holiday takes place.
Cheers!
-The Human Crayon.
Friday, November 08, 2013
Friday, October 11, 2013
Atheist Answers
Magx01
has put up a list of questions for Atheists to answer, calling it
'the Atheist Project'. I think I have a thing or two to say about
this subject and thus decided to answer the questions as faithfully
(pun intended) as possible. Most of the time when there is a reference to 'God' specifically, it refers to the Abrahamic god, but it can be applied to any religion. Please keep in mind that this is not meant to be any kind of aggressive attack on believers, just an explanation of what Atheism entails and why I am an Atheist. I do understand what makes a person believe, as I was once a Christian myself. I'll do my best in answering the questions as well as I can, but I, of course, can't speak for all Atheists. Now, on with the questions:
1) What is an
atheist?/What do atheists believe?/Don't atheists worship Satan?/Can
you prove that god does not exist?
These
are actually four questions, so let's go through them one by one.
What is an Atheist?
An
Atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any god. That's it.
The
simplest way to get into this mindset is to look at gods other than
your own. The way you feel about Zeus, that's exactly the same an
Atheist thinks about the Christian god. There is a quote that has
almost become something of a popular saying amongst Atheists, it goes
something like this:
“I
contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you
do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours.” —Stephen F Roberts
What do Atheists
believe?
An
Atheist doesn't say that there is no god, just that there is no
evidence for one and thus that it is illogical to assume there is
one. Usually, someone becomes an Atheist when they realize that mere
faith is not enough to believe something. Tangible evidence is going
to be needed. So I guess you can say that we “believe” in what we
know. And I don't mean that as in “I know it in my heart”. Sorry,
but that's not knowledge, that's a hunch. We don't do that.
Don't Atheists
worship Satan?
Well,
no. Obviously not. We don't believe in him, remember? So worshiping
him would be a colossal waste of time.
Can you prove that
God does not exist?
Nope.
We can't, and we'll never be able to. Just as you can't prove any
negative. And that doesn't matter because the burden of proof lies
with the person making the claim. If that would not be the case, why
not believe in literally everything you can make up? After all, can
you prove those things don't actually exist? No, you can't.
Make
up a creature in your mind, right now. Now try to prove it doesn't
exist. You can't. But do you believe in that creature now? Of course
not, you just made it up. It is technically possible for the creature
to exist somewhere 'out there' and that you just happen to describe
something real by accident, so even though you should technically be
agnostic about the creature you just made up, it's not unreasonable
to assume that, no, this creature probably does not exist.
On top of that, if you based your creature on animals you already know, I'd say that this creature has a much higher change of existing than any god, since there is nothing godlike that we have ever observed (while the animals you based your creature on do already exist). It's kind of the same with Russel's Teapot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the sense that since teapots and spaghetti already exist, these examples have a better chance of existing than God, in my opinion.
On top of that, if you based your creature on animals you already know, I'd say that this creature has a much higher change of existing than any god, since there is nothing godlike that we have ever observed (while the animals you based your creature on do already exist). It's kind of the same with Russel's Teapot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the sense that since teapots and spaghetti already exist, these examples have a better chance of existing than God, in my opinion.
2) Aren't there
some things that science can't explain? Also, how can you trust
science since it's always changing?
Again,
these are actually separate questions. One by one:
Aren't there some
things that science can't explain?
Sure
there are, lots of things even! “God did it” is not a viable
alternative however. That's what we call the 'God of the Gaps', when
everything unexplained is attributed to God. This god shrinks with
every discovery. Having no explanation for something (yet) is better
than claiming you have an explanation, but then proceed to give no
actual facts whatsoever to support your claim. There is no shame in
simply admitting we don't know. Really, it's fine. Instead of
shrugging, saying “God did it” and walking away, why not attack
the problem? Let's find out how to define 'nothing', what dark matter
is, if we are alone in the universe, all of those things! That's what
drives science, after all: curiosity! Let's find out!
How
can you trust science since it's always changing?.
The
ever changing nature of science is exactly what makes it so
trustworthy in the first place! It keeps getting updated as new facts
are being uncovered. Science is all about going where these facts
take you, regardless of agendas. Nothing is written in stone, that's
the beauty of science. It isn't stubborn, it doesn't rely on old
rituals, it's simply our knowledge of the world we live in and the
means by which we obtained that knowledge.
3) What evidence
would convince you that God exists?
Imagine
that God Himself, let's say the Abrahamic one, would appear to anyone
on Earth simultaneously, explains where he has been and why, for
example, evolution looks like it makes so much sense and then
proceeds to do a clear prophecy for the next day, which, of course,
comes true, and all the stars in the sky would realign themselves to
spell out something in Hebrew while the same, beautiful, music sounds
around the world... something like that would be pretty damn
impressive. But heck, even a simple test like the one executed by the prophet
Elijah would be enough to at least make me reconsider. In it he held
a contest of sorts between gods. There were two altars, one by the
priests of the non-Abrahamic god, and one by the prophet. They both
had to pray for fire, for the altars to light up. The priests tried
and tried, but did not succeed. Then it was Elijah's turn and he
actually poured water over the altar first. Then he prayed and a
pillar of fire shot down from heaven and set the thing ablaze. That's
one cool story. If that were to actually happen now, I can guarantee
that a whole lot of Atheist would convert on that day. But instead,
the almighty God who created the entire universe supposedly grills
the face of Mary in pieces of toast. Not exactly as inciting.
4)
Why is there something rather than nothing?
Interesting
question and I, quite frankly, cannot give a bite size answer to
this. Lawrence Krauss, however, wrote an entire book called 'A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing'.
So I guess that's required reading now. If you want your answer, that
is.
What I, as a complete amateur, can say is this:
-Certain sub-atomic particles pop in and out of existence constantly, so the tiny point of singularity that expanded into the universe could have simply started to exist without breaking any of the laws of physics.
-The notion we have regarding the meaning of 'nothing' is a philosophical one, not a physical one. We have no example of 'nothing'. Take for example a vacuum, devoid of any physical objects. It still wouldn't be 'nothing' since all of the laws of nature would still apply in there. Maybe 'nothingness', like 'perfection', doesn't exist outside of philosophy.
-Time, at least as we know it, comes from the Big Bang. So to talk about 'before the Big Bang' is a bit paradoxical. Sure, there might have been another form of 'time' outside the Big Bang, but there doesn't have to be. Meaning that the notion that the universe was 'always there' is kind of right (kind of).
What I, as a complete amateur, can say is this:
-Certain sub-atomic particles pop in and out of existence constantly, so the tiny point of singularity that expanded into the universe could have simply started to exist without breaking any of the laws of physics.
-The notion we have regarding the meaning of 'nothing' is a philosophical one, not a physical one. We have no example of 'nothing'. Take for example a vacuum, devoid of any physical objects. It still wouldn't be 'nothing' since all of the laws of nature would still apply in there. Maybe 'nothingness', like 'perfection', doesn't exist outside of philosophy.
-Time, at least as we know it, comes from the Big Bang. So to talk about 'before the Big Bang' is a bit paradoxical. Sure, there might have been another form of 'time' outside the Big Bang, but there doesn't have to be. Meaning that the notion that the universe was 'always there' is kind of right (kind of).
5)
Where do atheists think the universe came from?
Since
there is no qualification for being an Atheist other than not
believing in any god, I can't say there is one shared believe on this
per sé. However, I think it's fair to assume that most Atheist go by
the Big Bang theory. But how did the Big Bang come to be? After all,
something cannot come from nothing, right? Well, actually, the Big
Bang theory doesn't state that there once was nothing and then an
explosion. Rather, the idea is that there was something of a
singularity, which then expanded into being the universe. And even that's paraphrasing.
The
thing is, if you maintain that a supreme being must have ignited the
Big Bang because every reaction logically must have had an action,
then why not go one step further and ask where God came from?
6) If you met God,
what would you say to Him?
-Why
did You go through such great lengths to make it appear as if You didn't
exist, only to punish those who fell for Your elaborate scam?
-Why
did You allow the writers of Your holy book to make such grave
errors?
-What
is the answer to Epicurus' question regarding the nature of God ('whence cometh evil')?
-Have
you eternally existed, or did you come to be also? And if the latter
is true, how?
7) Everyone
believes in God, why don't Atheists believe too?
The
idea of God has come to be in different ways. One theory, for
example, is that the idea of an invisible watchful eye came to be in
order to further the power of morals among the early men. Another way
the idea of a god or gods come to be is in an effort to explain the
world around us with very limited knowledge (the first attempt at
science, essentially). A volcano erupts, so an underground being must
be mad. A city disappears underneath the waves, Neptune must be
pissed. You can see what I'm getting at here. This is why deities get
pushed away further and further as we progress in scientific areas.
Gods used to live on the mountains, but then we conquered those. Then
the gods lived in the sky above us, until we invented aeroplanes. Gods
got moved into space, where Hubble then proceeded to take zero pictures of them. Now, Heaven and Hell are generally believed to reside in
some sort of alternative dimensions. Maybe it's time to skip ahead
already and admit that there probably is no god. We're at least not
going to assume there is a god, anyway. Show us the proof first.
8) Where do morals
come from, if not from God?
How
does anyone know what is 'right' or 'wrong'? I can see how that
question seems to invoke a need for a supreme being planting these
truths into our being. Yet, this is not the case, the existence of
morality is perfectly explainable. I think there are two kinds of
morality; one we learn by growing up in a certain environment and one
that we inherently own. The latter, of course, is the one that poses
the supposed problem. But when you think of it, there certainly is
such a thing as objective morality.
One
school of thought is simply that the humanoid creatures that weren't
so big on morality died out, whereas the Homo Sapiens lived because
they essentially understood the golden rule (don't do unto others as
you would not wish others to do unto you). They got much further
because they could collaborate much better because of this.
9) What's the point
of living if you don't believe in God?
I've
never really understood this question. Without an afterlife, this is
all you've got. Make the best of it, make sure you spent your time
here well. But if you do believe in God, however, why not kill
yourself and go to heaven right now?
10) If we came from
monkeys, why are there still monkeys alive today?
No
one claims that we came from one of the contemporary apes or monkeys.
The evolutionary tree shows us that gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees
and bonobos are our nephews, as it were. It shows that we have a
common ancestor, that tree branches out about 13 million years ago.
That's where the Orangutan ultimately comes from. Our closest
relatives are the Chimpanzee and the Bonobo (two different species, both from the Chimpanzee genus (Pan)). Evidence for all this is
found not only in the fossil record, but also in our very DNA. For a
creator god to be true, He must have deliberately made it look
like evolution happened.
11) Don't you
Atheists wish there was a Heaven?
Personally,
I really don't. An eternity of anything would be the absolute worst.
Heaven would turn into Hell pretty quickly. But that's besides the
point right now. Even if I did wish there was a Heaven, that doesn't
make it true. I could wish for Carrie Anne Moss to be my girlfriend,
but that doesn't make it so.
12) Why blog,
debate on forums, make videos, etc?
I
was a young-Earth Creationist, Evangelical Pentecostal Christian
once.
Luckily,
I had a lot of discussions with friends about these subjects. They
challenged me to think objectively, outside of the parameters of my
particular religion. Someone lent me a copy of Richard Dawkins' 'The
God Delusion', which I absolutely loved. I started watching Richard
Dawkins documentaries on YouTube, and from there on I watched a ton
of videos on Evolution, Creationism, Religion, Atheism, you name it.
I became familiar with some basic principles of science and some
really awesome people like Richard Dawkins, Carl Sagan, Neil deGrasse
Tyson, Michael Shermer, Christopher Hitchens, Lawrence Krauss, James
Randi and many more. It became pretty clear to me that everything I
thought to be evidence for my beliefs actually wasn't. Not by a long
shot. And when I finally became an Atheist, it was as if a weight was
lifted from my shoulders. I felt a clear sensation of blinds being
removed. Suddenly, everything became very clear. When I look at the
stars now, I am much more in awe than I ever was before. So, why
share on forums, blogs and YouTube? Why debate? Because I want to
help those that seek the path of reason, just like I did just a very
few years ago.
13) Pascal's Wager basically states that even though the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a person should wager as though God exists, because living life accordingly has everything to gain, and nothing to lose, whereas living as an atheist can possibly cost you everything but you gain nothing. Essentially, why don't you just believe, what do you have to lose?
There are a lot of things wrong with Pascal's Wager (after Blaise Pascal, who first proposed this). It's biggest fallacy is that it assumes only two options: either one specific god is true, or there is no god at all. However, there are roughly 4200 religions around the world. If we go by pure 'roll of the dice' kind of chance, then it's most likely that we are both wrong. If the right religion then happens to have a Hell, we would both go there, but whereas the Atheist would only have not believed in this god, the Theist would actually have worshipped another god. In other words, going by Blaise Pascal's logic, but with about 4200 added variables, Atheism is the safest bet.
But of course, all that is still ignoring that what drives Pascal here is the fear of Hell, not reason. If you were to 'believe' just in case, would an omnipotent god not not be able to see trough that?
These were the
questions as posted by Magx01. Let's throw in some more for good
measure.
Why do you hate
God?
I
don't. I don't believe in him, so hating God would be hating a
fictional character. I don't get all up on Hades all day, so why
would the Abramic god anger me any more? I get this all the time,
people just assume that I hate God. I don't. I do hate ignorance
though. I hate it when children are being lied to in between school
walls. I hate it when Christians think it's fine to discriminate
based on their holy texts. I hate it when some oblivious jock has a
tattoo on his muscled arm that quotes the homophobic line from
Leviticus, even though the same fucking book forbids tattoos on
the next page. Seriously, you're cherry-picking, yet you still
pick out these hateful, inhumane things? I hate that the United
States, the supposed Land of the Free, is basically a theocracy. I
hate it when old friends abandon their former friend when they find
out he is an Atheist. I hate that simply stating that there probably
is no God will warrant a death threat sooner or later. I hate that so many people
actually believe that Atheists secretly do believe in God, but want
to live in sin, so we deny him. I hate that the Vatican is
effectively killing thousands by claiming that condoms are no good,
and yet is still being seen as a force for good in the world. I hate
that when stories of paedophilia in the Catholic Church pop up, their
first thought is with the image of the church, not the children's well being I hate that churches will gladly clad themselves in gold
while others starve. I hate that Christians don't know what's in
their own bible. I hate it when a woman gets stoned for not obeying
her abusive husband. I hate that a woman can become a shame to her
family once she gets raped. I hate it when people think it's a good
idea to blow themselves up in the middle of a busy market. I hate it
when people make children recite holy texts. I hate it when children
are being told that people they know and love will burn forever. I
hate it when any reason threatens to seep trough in your mind, that
that gets labelled as Satan trying to take you away from God. I hate
it that even 'being with God' is supposed to be a positive thing,
even though the biblical God is clearly a homicidal dictator. My point is that
there are a lot of religion based things to hate here, but some guy
that didn't exist in the first place isn't one of them.
And
hey, that's just me. A lot of Atheists I know don't give a shit about
religion altogether. How we feel about those things is not a mutual
thing. Remember, there is no dogma in Atheism. But the idea that we
secretly believe in your specific god but that we hate him so much
that we decided to claim his non existence is downright silly.
Why can't you just
let people believe what they want to believe?
It's
not that people can't have their own beliefs, the point many Atheists make in regard to, for example, creationism, is that your personal
beliefs shouldn't be taught in schools. Nor should it be displayed at
museums and presented as fact. You can do that once you've got actual
evidence. But then, of course, it wouldn't be faith anymore, it would
be science. That's why Atheists can sometimes seem aggressive about
this; we don't care what you do in your own house, but keep it out of
education and out of the government. By doing so we aren't looking
for any kind of Atheist governing, by the way, just Secular.
But don't you want to outlaw all religion?
No, forbidding someone to practice a certain religion is just as ridiculous and abominable as forcing someone to practice it. Not in the last place because nobody can actually choose what they believe. Believe is, or should be, a result of waged evidence. You believe what you believe. Evidence to the contrary may change this, law cannot possibly do so.
But don't you want to outlaw all religion?
No, forbidding someone to practice a certain religion is just as ridiculous and abominable as forcing someone to practice it. Not in the last place because nobody can actually choose what they believe. Believe is, or should be, a result of waged evidence. You believe what you believe. Evidence to the contrary may change this, law cannot possibly do so.
Evolution VS
Creationism, why not teach the controversy?
Because
there is no controversy to begin with. By that I mean that no
biologist is going to be against Evolution. That would be, as Bill
Nye has elegantly put it, like a geologist who doesn't believe in
tectonic plates. It doesn't work. The idea of 'teaching the
controversy' also seems to contain the thought that every single idea
is equally valid regardless of the evidence, or lack thereof. So why
not teach that the world actually rests on a giant turtle shell, like the Iroquois creation myth describes and let the children decide.
Teach the controversy, right?
But isn't evolution
just a theory?
This
is nothing more than a simple misunderstanding of semantics. In
everyday life the word 'theory' often means something along the lines
of 'a hunch' or 'this idea I've got'. The scientific definition of a
theory, however, is much more solid. In fact, you can't even call
something a theory unless you've got evidence to support it. In other
words, unless it's true. So why call it a 'theory' and not a 'fact'?
Because a fact is one single truth, one single piece of evidence. A
theory is a whole bundle of facts. Some of these facts might be
challenged, but the theory remains. Gravity, for example, is also a
theory.
Aren't you afraid of Hell?
No. I'm as afraid of Hell as you are of Hades, Tartarus, Helheim, Irkalla, The House of Lies, Avici, Narak, Kasyrgan or Mictlan.
This goes back to one of the first points made in this post: show me why you aren't afraid of any of the other Hell-like places, and you'll see why I'm not afraid of yours.
Aren't you afraid of Hell?
No. I'm as afraid of Hell as you are of Hades, Tartarus, Helheim, Irkalla, The House of Lies, Avici, Narak, Kasyrgan or Mictlan.
This goes back to one of the first points made in this post: show me why you aren't afraid of any of the other Hell-like places, and you'll see why I'm not afraid of yours.
Why are you hiding
from God? / Why are you shielding yourself? / Why won't you open your
heart?
Christians
seem to think it is obvious that God exist, and that Atheists are just
actively ignoring him (in order to sin, I guess. Not that that makes
a whole lot of sense, but that's the trail of thought). The thing is
that, no, there is actually nothing obvious about God's supposed existence and most Atheist actually got there by being open. That's
usually what we do. Tell us your claim and we will look at it as
subjectively as we can. If you can actually proof God, we are
certainly open to hear about that. It's just that nobody thus far has
actually proven the existence of any god. Which is why we don't just
assume that there is a God which is why we're Atheist. If your
religion makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, good for you, but
that doesn't make it true.
I have had a
personal experience with God. How do you explain that?
In
my last years as a Christian I have repeatedly said that Atheists are
the voice of reason and certainly seem to be right. They couldn't
have been, however, because of my personal experiences. There were
multiple things, but the most compelling was the fact that Jesus
Christ himself appeared by my bedside when I was a child. After that,
how could I not believe? I had seen with my own two eyes! But then
you learn about things like Sleep Paralysis. The human mind is surprisingly subjectable to suggestion. I believed in demons because I have heard
them, not realizing that this is a well known and documented mental condition. I have
hallucinated a lot throughout my life and I still do. I'm glad that I
can now see them as just that, hallucinations. If someone had told me
the voices aren't real when I was a child, that would have been nice.
If
you maintain that these types of experiences are proof of God, ask
yourself:
-Why
is seeing Jesus proof of Jesus, but seeing, for example, Vishnu, not
proof of Vishnu?
-What
is more likely, your god of preference paying you a visit or your
brain playing tricks on you? The latter is very human, by the way,
while there is still no objective proof of the first.
How do you explain miracles being performed in the name of God?
Well, how do explain the miracles being performed in the name of other gods? And beyond that, have you ever noticed that the things that are being cured are the things that could have gotten better without any divine intervention? Headaches are being cured left and right, but how many times have you seen an entire limb growing out of a limbless torso? Yeah, me neither. It seems that only things that the placebo effect can take care of are of any interest to God. I'll let you work out for yourselves why that would be. Also, if God has a divine plan that encompasses everything, why pray at all? Would that not be asking God to change his infallible plan? Maybe you have seen Peter Popoff in action and that's why you believe in faith healers. After all, how did he know all those things about people in his audience if not for God telling him? Well, how about his wife telling him through an earpiece? Popoff sells miracle water trough infomercials now, by the way. This miracle water can supposedly be used for anything from curing cancer to making debts disappear. This is no different then the medieval quack selling snake oil and the likes. If a proven fraud like Popoff can be a healer, why would any other healer doing the same be prove of any God? I'm not saying that all faith healers are frauds, that's clearly not the case. I think that most of them genuinely believe that they do the Lord's work. I'd like to remind you of the placebo effect, however. Show me the healer that can make limbs appear out of thin air, then we can talk.
Have you read the
Bible?
Yes.
Have you?
Numbers
31:15-18
15)
“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16)
“They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the
Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that
a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17) Now kill all the boys. And
kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18) but save for
yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Proverbs
20:30
Blows and wounds scrub away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.
Blows and wounds scrub away evil, and beatings purge the inmost being.
Leviticus
25:44-46
44)
“‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around
you; from them you may buy slaves. 45) You may also buy some of the
temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born
in your country, and they will become your property. 46) You can
bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make
them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow
Israelites ruthlessly.
Numbers
15:32-36
32)
While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found
gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33) Those who found him gathering
wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34) and
they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be
done to him. 35) Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die.
The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36) So the
assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the
Lord commanded Moses.
Proverbs
13:24
Whoever
spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their
children is careful to discipline them.
Exodus
21:17
Anyone
who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.
Exodus
21:7-8
7)
If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as the male servants do. 8) If she does not please the master who has
selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no
right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with
her.
(In fact, pretty much the whole of Exodus 21 is just abominable)
(In fact, pretty much the whole of Exodus 21 is just abominable)
Deuteronomy
22:23-24
23)
If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and
he sleeps with her, 24) you shall take both of them to the gate of
that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was
in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he
violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among
you.
2 Kings 2:23-24
23) And he went up from thence unto Bethel. And as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, “Go up, thou bald head! Go up, thou bald head!”
24) And he turned back and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two shebears out of the wood and tore forty and two children of them.
And that's just a very small sample. If you want to read more of this, just pick up a Bible.
“Yeah, but that's
in the old testament, that stuff doesn't apply anymore.”
Oh
really? That's funny, because according to Jesus...
Matthew
5:17-19
17)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18) For truly I
tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter,
not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the
Law until everything is accomplished. 19) Therefore anyone who sets
aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others
accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but
whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in
the kingdom of heaven.
Also, there's plenty of foul stuff in the new testament too:
Ephesians 6:5-6
5) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6) Obey them not only to win their favour when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
Of course, the biggest problem here is that those who claim that the old testament has no relevance anymore are usually (and paradoxically) also the ones who claim that the Bible is infallible. Can't have your cake and eat it too, people. If you want to have a honest discussion regarding scripture, you must first acknowledge its fallibility. If you are not prepared to do so, you are by proxy saying that:
-Slavery is a-okay.
-Women are second class citizens who should not be able to teach or speak their minds and are the possession of their fathers until they are the possession of their husbands.
-Taking innocent citizens as prisoners of war for you to repeatedly rape is a-okay.
-Prison should have physical punishment.
-Stoning someone for doing anything on the Sabbath is justified.
-Children should be beaten
-Rebellious teenagers should be killed, preferably by stoning.
-Beating your slave to death is okay, as long as he doesn't die immediately.
-Painfully and gruesomely killing children for making fun of your bald head is justified.
-Rape victims should either be stoned if you didn't hear them yell, or marry their rapists in any case (depending on which verse you're reading).
If any of that sounds just to you, I don't think I would want to associate myself with you in any way.
Also, there's plenty of foul stuff in the new testament too:
Ephesians 6:5-6
5) Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6) Obey them not only to win their favour when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
Of course, the biggest problem here is that those who claim that the old testament has no relevance anymore are usually (and paradoxically) also the ones who claim that the Bible is infallible. Can't have your cake and eat it too, people. If you want to have a honest discussion regarding scripture, you must first acknowledge its fallibility. If you are not prepared to do so, you are by proxy saying that:
-Slavery is a-okay.
-Women are second class citizens who should not be able to teach or speak their minds and are the possession of their fathers until they are the possession of their husbands.
-Taking innocent citizens as prisoners of war for you to repeatedly rape is a-okay.
-Prison should have physical punishment.
-Stoning someone for doing anything on the Sabbath is justified.
-Children should be beaten
-Rebellious teenagers should be killed, preferably by stoning.
-Beating your slave to death is okay, as long as he doesn't die immediately.
-Painfully and gruesomely killing children for making fun of your bald head is justified.
-Rape victims should either be stoned if you didn't hear them yell, or marry their rapists in any case (depending on which verse you're reading).
If any of that sounds just to you, I don't think I would want to associate myself with you in any way.
[Insert vicious dictator here] was an Atheist!
So? It's not like they committed their crimes against humanity in the name of Atheism. And it also isn't the case that there are more Atheists that are dictators then there are perfectly normal Atheist. So what exactly is your point here?
Oh, and in the case of Adolf Hitler: no, he wasn't.
What are you going to tell your children?
If I ever have children, I will probably tell them biblical tales as bedtime stories along with stories of Hercules and King Midas. I will educate them on morals as any other parent would, you don't need religion for the golden rule to take effect. I will tell them not to do 'bad' things, not because they should fear burning forever (I will, under no circumstances, tell a child such a thing!), but because their actions have consequences. I will be honest about religion, meaning that I will tell them that some people believe in these tales and that they have the right to do so. Just as I would not impose a believe on a child, I will not impose a disbelieve either. If they want to claim any religion, they may. I predict that they might have had about a dozen religions by the time they reach their teenage years, and that's fine.
I will never withhold any access to science for my child(ren), I will probably make them watch Carl Sagan's Cosmos and Bill Nye the Science Guy. And most importantly: I will never cease to love them or treat them any differently if they turn out to be anything other than me. If they happen to be gay, that's fine. If they choose to be religious, that's fine. If they have a different philosophy than mine, that's fine. That's a little something called unconditional love, and it should be more widespread.
So? It's not like they committed their crimes against humanity in the name of Atheism. And it also isn't the case that there are more Atheists that are dictators then there are perfectly normal Atheist. So what exactly is your point here?
Oh, and in the case of Adolf Hitler: no, he wasn't.
What are you going to tell your children?
If I ever have children, I will probably tell them biblical tales as bedtime stories along with stories of Hercules and King Midas. I will educate them on morals as any other parent would, you don't need religion for the golden rule to take effect. I will tell them not to do 'bad' things, not because they should fear burning forever (I will, under no circumstances, tell a child such a thing!), but because their actions have consequences. I will be honest about religion, meaning that I will tell them that some people believe in these tales and that they have the right to do so. Just as I would not impose a believe on a child, I will not impose a disbelieve either. If they want to claim any religion, they may. I predict that they might have had about a dozen religions by the time they reach their teenage years, and that's fine.
I will never withhold any access to science for my child(ren), I will probably make them watch Carl Sagan's Cosmos and Bill Nye the Science Guy. And most importantly: I will never cease to love them or treat them any differently if they turn out to be anything other than me. If they happen to be gay, that's fine. If they choose to be religious, that's fine. If they have a different philosophy than mine, that's fine. That's a little something called unconditional love, and it should be more widespread.
Isn't Atheism a
religion too?
Nope,
Atheism is the 'none of the above' option under a list of religions.
If Atheism, the lack of a belief, is a religion, then I must also be
quite a sportsman. After all, I'm also a non-soccer player, a
non-baseball player, a non-sprinter, a non-swimmer, et cetera. My
hair would not only be brown, but also non-blonde and non-black. You
get the idea: the lack of a belief is not a belief.
But Atheism has
fundamentalists too!
Wikipedia
quotes George M. Marsden in saying:
“Fundamentalism
is the demand for a strict adherence to orthodox
theological doctrines
usually understood as a reaction against Modernist theology,
primarily to promote continuity and accuracy.”
Atheism
does not have such doctrines, and therefore a fundamentalist Atheist
can, by definition, not exist.
I
think what people mean by 'fundamentalist Atheist' is usually simply
someone who is very passionate. You wouldn't see Richard Dawkins blow
up a building, though. That's kind of an important detail.
So, what happens
when we die then?
Every
single part of your consciousness and personality is stored in our
brain. When we die, our brains die, so there is no reason to believe
any of that carries on after death. Death to me is as simple, real and
unfrightening as the time before I was born. I once wasn't and
someday cease to be once more. It's that little window in between
those times that matters.
I have an interest
in Atheism and like to learn more, where do I start?
Someone
that helped me out a lot was Richard Dawkins. I recommend you read
'The God Delusion', 'The Blind Watchmaker', 'Climbing Mount.
Improbable' and 'Unweaving The Rainbow'. Or maybe documentaries are
more your thing, in which case I recommend you watch 'The BlindWatchmaker', 'The Root of All Evil?' and 'Enemies of Reason'.
Carl
Sagan hosted an outstanding television series called 'Cosmos', which
I highly recommend if you're interested in a heavy dose of
(understandable) science, combined with the odd philosophical
thought. It's on YouTube and you will not regret watching it.
Interested
in the Big Bang and how it came to be? Lawrence Krauss is your man.
James Randi is magnificent in debunking all sorts of superstitious
practices.
Want
to know how human beings came to be hardwired for superstition? Why
we believe what we believe? Michael Shermer is your guy.
Not
afraid of a sound discussion? Here, have a Christopher Hitchens.
Watched
all your Sagan videos, but not done marveling at the universe yet?
Like to geek out about Isaac Newton? Neil deGrasse Tyson is the guy
for you (also, this. Please watch that).
Sam Harris has a lot of interesting opinions about religion, here he is talking about objective morality, a subject that has come up in question number 8 above.
There
also are some very helpful people in the 'YouTube-Atheist community',
such as AronRa, Thunderf00t, DarkMatter2525, NonStampCollector,
FfreeThinker, TheThinkingAtheist, potholer54, Lee Lemon, atheistcoffee, FactVsReligion and JaclynGlenn.
You
could also watch Q&A programs such as The Atheist Experience (I especially recommend the videos with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris. Although Matt can be a bit impatient sometimes), Ask an Atheist and Freetought Forum. These are local programs on
television, but can be viewed internationally trough sites such as
YouTube.
If you wish to leave a comment or question, please do so in the comment section below. If the comment section isn't showing, click on the title of the post.
In this post I have linked three TED videos. TED is not an Atheist organisation, but a science based one. The two tend to overlap more often than not.
That was it for today, thank you for reading.
-The Human Crayon.
-Updates, 15th of October, 2013.
Added questions about miracles, outlawing religion, fear of Hell, dictators being Atheists, what to tell children.
-Update, 16th of October, 2013.
Added Pascal's Wager (Magx01's 13th question)
-Update, 17th of October.
Deleted Bush Sr. quote for questionable authenticity.
-Updates, 31st of January, 2014.
Paragraph added on question 4, added Atheist YouTube-channels, corrected some embarrassing spelling errors (whoops).
-Updates, 15th of September, 2014.
Added paragraph to the 'Have you read the Bible?' question, changed spelling from a mixture of American English and British English to purely British English.
If you wish to leave a comment or question, please do so in the comment section below. If the comment section isn't showing, click on the title of the post.
In this post I have linked three TED videos. TED is not an Atheist organisation, but a science based one. The two tend to overlap more often than not.
That was it for today, thank you for reading.
-The Human Crayon.
-Updates, 15th of October, 2013.
Added questions about miracles, outlawing religion, fear of Hell, dictators being Atheists, what to tell children.
-Update, 16th of October, 2013.
Added Pascal's Wager (Magx01's 13th question)
-Update, 17th of October.
Deleted Bush Sr. quote for questionable authenticity.
-Updates, 31st of January, 2014.
Paragraph added on question 4, added Atheist YouTube-channels, corrected some embarrassing spelling errors (whoops).
-Updates, 15th of September, 2014.
Added paragraph to the 'Have you read the Bible?' question, changed spelling from a mixture of American English and British English to purely British English.
Thursday, October 03, 2013
King Jeremy the Wicked
First
of all I'd like to address my absence on this site. I promised a
weekly post, yet my last post was 32 days ago. That's not being late,
that's a hiatus. So, how did this situation come to be? Well, funnily
enough I actually did post an article about this subject the day it
was supposed to be posted, but I pulled it after I decided I wasn't
at all happy with the tone of it. I deleted most of the text and
started over. This time I would miss the Monday-deadline I set for
myself over and over, spiraling down a vicious circle (yes, I do
realize that's technically impossible, I'm trying to express myself
here). But hey, I'm here now, so let's talk about Jeremy.
Jeremy Wade Delle 1975-1991 |
The backstory.
The
song 'Jeremy' by Pearl Jam is about a boy who has to deal with a
great deal of anxiety until he decides that it's not worth it and
shoots himself in front of his classmates. It's an account of real
life teenager Jeremy Wade Delle, who has shot himself in a Richardson
High School at about 9:45 AM on the 8th of January, 1991.
Jeremy,
fifteen or sixteen years old, was a shy boy, and was picked on
because of it. He was very non-social and was described as 'real
quiet' and a 'loner'. He did have one friend at school though: the
sixteen year old Lisa Moore. They exchanged notes discussing general
topics. Jeremy's later notes expressed curiosity after Lisa's then
boyfriend and started talking about trouble he's been having with a
teacher, signing all of his notes with 'Write back'. One January
Monday however, he signed his note 'Later days'. The following
Tuesday Jeremy was late, missing the first class. When he showed up
in English class, the teacher told him to go get an admittance slip
from the school office. He walked out and got a gun that he planted
in advance, presumably in his locker. Upon his return, he walked
directly to the front of the classroom and said “Miss, I got what I
really went for” and pulled out the .357-caliber Magnum, placed it
in his mouth and shot, without any hesitation. Just outside was
sixteen year old Brian Jackson, trying to open his locker. He didn't
think much of the bang. Could be a book slammed against a table,
maybe the class was performing a play or something. But then a girl
came running out of the classroom, screaming and crying, rapidly
informing the small school that something had just gone horribly
wrong. Frightened but curious Brian stepped inside where he saw
Jeremy's body lying in his blood on the floor and the teacher
standing against the wall, crying and shaking. The teacher resigned after the incident, a hole in the wall from the bullet is still
visible today, being kept like that in Jeremy's honour.
Pearl Jam enters
the story.
Pearl
Jam was at the time still busy making their demo for what would
eventually become 'Ten', but not now, as they where on tour (I'm
having a hard time figuring out which one exactly. For example, the
FiveHorizons Concert Chronology doesn't mention a concert around that
time in that area. Nor does TwoFeetThick. The closest I could find is
the 10/11/91 concert at the Vatican in Houston Texas (via
FiveHorizons), but that's much too late since Pearl Jam already began
recording Jeremy in March. Their famous tour opening for Alice in
Chains seems to fill the right timesloth, but they didn't go anywhere
near Texas). When in the area (during whatever tour), Eddie Vedder
came across a copy of 'The Dallas Morning News' in which there was an
article about Jeremy. In a 2009 interview with Seattle Sound
Magazine, Vedder said that he felt "the need to take that small
article and make something of it—to give that action, to give it
reaction, to give it more importance."
Jeremy and you.
I
think most people know a Jeremy. Do not approach him with clichés
about how wonderful life is, he has heard them all and he is not
impressed. When Marilyn Manson was asked what he would say to Klebold
and Harris of the Columbine murders, he replied: “I wouldn't say a
single word to them, I would listen to what they have to say. And
that's what no one did.” I think Manson is right on the money here,
most Jeremies out there aren't looking for a psychiatrist, just being
there listening will do. The worst thing you can do is trying to push
whatever idea you've got to solve this, the best thing you can do is
being there. Just listening. Stephen Fry has said: “If you know
someone who’s depressed, please resolve never to ask them why.
Depression isn’t a straightforward response to a bad situation;
depression just is, like the weather. Try to understand the
blackness, lethargy, hopelessness, and loneliness they’re going
through. Be there for them when they come through the other side.
It’s hard to be a friend to someone who’s depressed, but it is
one of the kindest, noblest, and best things you will ever do.”
Like the weather, depression isn't something one could just walk off
and forget about, it just there, whether you like it or not. There
isn't a single solution because there isn't a single cause. And
sometimes there's the need to curl up and take shelter for a while,
that's okay. Invite your Jeremy to parties and be persuasive about
it, but never force him to go anywhere. Sometimes he doesn't want to
be around people and that should be respected too.
We unleashed a
lion.
Eddie
Vedder actually knew a Jeremy too, a kid named Brian committed a
school shooting in his Junior High School, which is why he decided to
sing the song in the perspective of one of Jeremy's classmates. He
knew exactly what feelings come from knowing someone in your school
did something like this, since he actually has first hand experience.
In December '91 Vedder told KLOL FM: “I actually knew somebody in
junior high school, in San Diego, California, that did the same
thing, just about, didn't take his life but ended up shooting up an
oceanography room. I remember being in the halls and hearing it and I
had actually had altercations with this kid in the past. I was kind
of a rebellious fifth-grader and I think we got in fights and stuff.
So it's a bit about this kid named Jeremy and it's also a bit about a
kid named Brian that I knew.”
This
is it for now, but I will come back to revise this article since I'm
still not happy with it. I will focus on something else for
now, maybe clarity comes later, when I've gotten the change to clear
my mind.
Sources.
The
actual newspaper article as read on fivehorizons.com.
Marilyn
Manson quote: Bowling for Columbine.
Stephen
Fry quote: Secret Life of the Manic Depressive.
Eddie
Vedder Quote about shooting at his school: KLOL FM
Eddie
Vedder Quote 'Action, reaction, importance': Seattle Sound Magazine,
March 2009.
PearlJam.com
And,
of course, Wikipedia.
I've
decided to drop the weekly schedule altogether and just post whenever
I feel like it instead. So be sure to bookmark or subscribe!
Hakuna
Matata!
-The
Human Crayon
Wednesday, September 11, 2013
Hopes and Predictions on Man of Steel 2 (in No Particular Order)
Due
to my laptop having had a bad case of the funny business, this got
posted later than usual. I'd say it's all fixed now, but that might
be a tad optimistic ever since that old Gypsy lady cursed my
technological skills.
And
now, without further ado, here's a quick rundown of things I either
hope or expect to see in Man of Steel II. Fasten your seat belts.
Lex Luthor
After
all the easter eggs, this would be a bit weird to omit, I'm pretty
sure Luthor is going to be in MOSII. Lex Luthor is a perfect
narcissist, a description he'll probably have a hard time disliking,
since it contains the word 'perfect'. He fancies himself to be the
perfect renaissance man, or even the perfect man altogether,
actually. He has a strong build, a nicely symmetric face and a mind
destined for greatness. He managed to get elected president with a
clearly shady past, that's how great of a manipulator he is. In his
mind, he has accomplished pure perfection in humanity. If it wasn't
for that one guy, that is. Superman, the Übermensch in flesh and
Locke or Epicurus in moral. This, of course, completely clashes with
Luthor's self image and the only way to do away with this problem, is
to literary do away with Superman. As long as he is alive, Luthor,
with all his intelligence, cannot possibly truly find perfection in
himself while there is a god amongst men. He must do away with him,
so that he may be a god of sorts. Not in deed, but in position.
The
biggest question now of course is 'who will play him? '. Well, I, as
most people, have no idea. But I'm hoping Michael C. Hall. You know,
the Dexter guy. He's got the two faced personality down, he looks
menacing, he looks about the same age as Cavill and I think he'll be
a believable businessman (I'm guessing they're going with that
version, as opposed to the mad scientist version. If fact, I hope
they have him running for president at one point. Maybe in the
inevitable part III?). Some hardcore fans might actually be against
him being in MOSII, since Luthor has already graced so many
adaptations, while other kickass super villains are practical
strangers to the (non comic book reading-) movie going public. But
that doesn't matter because...
Either Brainiac or
Doomsday has got to be in this.
To
follow up on the utter destruction in the first film, they are going
to bring out some goddamn epic villains. There has to be at least one
villain that fans have been waiting for for years. A villains that at
least matches Zod strength, the stakes must be high. So, who will it
be?
Why Brainiac.
Brainiac,
or at least the version I'm addressing now, is an alien android. A
being in possession of artificial intelligence. Even though he's
strong, the main threat of Brainiac often comes from his pure and
unspoiled A.I. logic. He is essentially a living supercomputer. But
there is more. He is actually responsible for shrinking and stealing
Kandor, which is the Capitol of Krypton. Kandor is kept in one of
those protective glass bottles (I forgot the actual name for it, will
update when I remember). Fun fact: the everyday word 'brainiac',
meaning very smart person, actually comes from the name of this
character, not the other way around!
Why Doomsday.
'The
Death of Superman' is still one of the biggest, most important, most
influential, most read comic books of all time. Wanna know who killed
him in it? That's right: Doomsday. And what an adversary he is.
Doomsday actually collects his powers by getting killed: every time
he resurrects, he is immune to the thing that killed him. He starved
once, now he doesn't need to eat. He chocked once, now he doesn't need
to breathe. You can see how that works out. How do you even beat a
guy like that? How can he be beaten at all? Remember, this guy is
stronger than Superman, yet immune to Kryptonite, so it's not like
you can just lock him somewhere. Punching him into outer space
doesn't help, he can live there by now. This would be a tough villain
for Superman (and, let's be honest, the writers) and I totally want
to see him on the big screen. Who the hell doesn't?
Why not Darkseid?
As
every Superman enthusiast knows, Darkseid is an absolutely epic
villain too. He definitely deserves a spot in a Superman film someday. So
why didn't I include him in the paragraph above? It's mainly because
he requires too much backstory for this particular film. The Man Of
Steel trilogy will already have it's fair share of story arcs. I just
don't see Darkseid being weaved into that. Unless there is a
significant amount of build up to him in part II, then he could be
kicking ass around in part III.
The warsuit.
Lex
Luthor has a iconic suit in the comics that allows him to be strong
as fuck. I think that this suit might be the same as Batman might use
when fighting Superman. How am I so sure that they will fight?
Because the announcement of the movie was made using a quote from The
Dark Knight Returns, so yeah.
This one. |
The
warsuit could be a Kryptonian suit left behind by Zod's crew, only to
be used by both Luthor and Batman. Which brings us to...
Batman.
Holyfuckingshit,
you guys! Batman and Superman in one movie! World's Finest is totally
happening, after all those years! That is some historic shit right
there. We all know who the hell Batman is. There isn't a person on
earth who still needs another origin story, so I'm guessing, I'm
hoping, there won't be. So, what does a Snyder Batman need? Well, I'm
hoping for a worn and rugged Batman, a veteran in crime fighting who
comes to show this Superman guy. I think that they will form a fine
friendship by the end of the movie, or at least alluding to the
beginning of the friendship. Their first meeting however, will not be as
smooth.
Yeah Supes, pay attention to the fellow. |
Ben Affleck as
Batman.
We
all know Affleck is going to play Batman by now. When I first read
the news, I thought it was a joke. In fact, the thought that it might
actually be real didn't even occur to me. I made a somewhat angry,
but mostly confused Facebook post, and that was that. The longer the
idea of Affleck as Batman lingered around in my head however, the
softer the blow got. In time, I'm actually beginning the accept the
idea of Batfleck. Every now and then I can see it in my head and
think he'll actually be a good Batman. Not that there is any
unconditional trust, but there is a definite trust that he might
be rocking the part. So there's that. And I don't have to tell the
Batfans reading this that it totally all happened before. When
Michael Keaton was cast as Batman, the fans went apeshit. And not in
a good way. “Fucking Mr. Mom is playing Batman? What the
actual fuck is this shit? Is this a joke? Am I having a nightmare
right now?”. Batman fans actually took to the streets and
started fucking protests,
hanging dolls with Michael Keaton's face on in.
And then, of course, Keaton went on the become the essential Batman
and everybody loved him. Seriously, he went from the most hated man
in pop culture to the most beloved man in pop culture overnight. And
all it took was one badass trailer. And did we learn anything from it
all? Hell no! But maybe we should. Maybe we shouldn't be so fast in
judging Affleck. As long as he doesn't have a Boston accent or does
his signature pouty face.
Don't you look at me like that Affleck, you know damn well what I'm talking about. |
Kara Zor-El
(Supergirl)
I
think we've got a good idea of what at least one of her outfits will
look like based on the prequel comic. I don't think, however, that
they'll cast someone based on her looking like Kara from the comic,
so the actress is still anyone's guess. The name AnnaLynne McCord has
been thrown around in fan casting, but I don't think I've seen her in
anything before, so I've got no opinions about that. But what's
stopping you? I mean, I do have a comments section, you know. Who
would you like to see as Supergirl? Amber Heard? Jennifer Lawrence?
Yvonne Strahovski? Katia Winter? Maggie Grace? Emily Browning? Laura
Vandervoort even?
Carrol Farris/Star
Sapphire
If
Carrie Farris actually turns out to be Carol Ferris (although I'm not
sure why they would have gone with the name change then) it's not
hard to imagine her story arc continuing and growing in MOSII. She
might even get to be Star Sapphire at some point. I'm quite curious
concerning her outfit if she does, as I don't think Warner would go
with this:
In case you have a hard time telling them apart, she's the one with the blatant fanservise. |
Wonder Woman.
She's
not going to be in this movie, but she'll better appear in some way
or another after it. It's really about time. So what do I want to see
in MOSII? Some kind of easter egg or nod hinting at least at the
existence of Wonder Woman in this universe. Side note: Lucy Lawless,
Gina Carano or Bridget Regan as WW please.
This lady needs a blockbuster, like, yesterday. |
Lana Lang
Remember
Lana Lang in MOS? She's that girl in Clark's class that later
recognized him as Superman. I'd like to think that she'll take a
certain stance on Superheroes in the media, similar to her antics in
The Dark Knight Returns after realizing that Clark is one, only with
a more DCAU appearance. Maybe she's a little on the fence at the
beginning, but then the Batman stuff happens. Whatever the case, I
don't think we'll see any Insect Queen anytime soon. That's a good
thing by the way. There could, of course, be a Insect Queen easter
egg. That would be pretty cool.
Outro stuff.
Remember,
in the end I know as little about this movie as anybody else. I'm not
even sure how educated my guesses are. Not very, I'm guessing
(...wait). It's fun to speculate, but let's not confuse enthusiast
guesses with actual information (I'm looking at you, everybody that
reported on Bryan Cranston being Lex Luthor, even though that was
obviously a rumour). We do have some solid information, but even that
might be misleading. We just don't know how the movie is going to be,
until we see it. So even discussing Ben Affleck's Batman at this
point just might be, well, a bit silly.
What did I just say about faces, Affleck? |
And
that's that. Yup, that's really it for today. Thanks for reading and
I promise, no superheroes next time. In fact, there'll be quite a
change of tone, since I'll be talking about Jeremy Wade Delle, the
real life subject of the song 'Jeremy' by Pearl Jam.
See you next Monday!
See you next Monday!
-The
Kryptonian Crayon.
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)